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Kelly Hogan is a touring musician, who used to work at a beloved Chicago dive bar.

Charles Joly is a world-renowned mixologist, who's tended bar at the Oscars and the Kentucky Derby.

This week on The Sporkful, Kelly (below right) and Charles (below left) tell us what it's like to tend bar for a living -- from the art of the free pour to the difficulties of maintaining personal relationships when your job keeps you out late every night.

"Being a bartender is kind of like show business," Kelly says. "[It's] not fake, but just you're on sometimes."

"I've had close friends who have had to leave the industry because of a problem with [drinking]," Charles adds. "It's a real threat and you need to be careful with it—in addition to many other vices that come along with being out until 4am or 5am at night for decades."

Listen in to the full episode to hear how Kelly and Charles deal with the dangers of spending so much time around alcohol. Plus Kelly tells us why she always kept crayons at the bar where she worked.

Kelly's album "I Like To Keep Myself In Pain" is available wherever you get your music. And here's the video for her duet with Neko Case, "These Aren't The Droids," which is featured in this episode.

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Interstitial music in this episode from Black Label Music:

- "New Old" by JT Bates

Photos: Chris Dilts, FlickrCC/Flavio Rucci